October 25, 2008

Did Yeshua Pre-exist? Intro - Part I

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There are many confusing statements in scriptures that lead people to believe that Yeshua Pre-existed. One controversy subject is the "creation" terminology in John 1. People see "in the beginning" and they think that it must refer to Gen 1:1 because of the "light" and "darkness" and "all things" language in the subsequent verses. The "creation" language is just an allusion to Genesis as one can see below similar wordings are used elsewhere.

John 1:1 - "In the beginning was the word . . ."
Mark 1:1 - "The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ . . ."
I John 1:1 "That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; 2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)".

Nowhere is it suggested that he existed before his birth. Consider the record of his early childhood:

"Yeshua increased in wisdom, and stature, and in favor with God and man" (Luke 2:52).
How can these words possibly apply to a pre-existent angel, or the second person of a Triune G-d? Could such a one increase in wisdom and in favor with G-d? Assuming the impossible were true, and Yeshua pre-existed as an angel, on what grounds could it be said that he increased in favor with G-d merely because in his new state he grew from a baby to a youth!

Even if Yeshua pre-existed, he would have to divest himself of all previous identity, lose all his former knowledge, power and standing with G-d, and had to establish this all again! What for? What would this accomplish? Is such belief logical?

If Christ pre-existed, how could he be described as the "seed of the woman"?Abraham was taught: "In thy seed shall all nations be blessed" (Genesis 22:18).

Would Abraham imagine that his seed (son) existed before he did? Of course not! Where is there any evidence in Genesis that Yeshua was then living in any form? There is none! Moses, Israel's law-giver and leader, who typified the coming Law-giver and Leader (Yeshua) told the Israelite:
"The Lord thy God will raise up unto Thee a Prophet FROM THE MIDST OF THEE, OF THY BRETHREN, LIKE UNTO ME; unto him ye shall hearken" (Deuteronomy 18:5).

In the New Testament, Peter quoted those very words and applied them to Yeshua Christ (Acts 3:22; 7:37), and Paul taught: "Therefore it behooved him to be made like unto his brethren . . . ." (Hebrews 2:17).

Can the words of Moses above apply to a pre-existent angel? Could such a one be truthfully described as "raised up from the midst of thee," "of thy brethren, like unto Moses"?

Consider also the preaching of the Apostles. Did they proclaim belief in a pre-existent angel who had assumed human form? They did not. Listen to Peter's preaching: "David . . . being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the FRUIT OF HIS LOINS, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne" (Acts 2:30).

Whom did David believe would sit upon his throne? An angel who was already in existence? No; he believed the one who would reign there would be "the fruit of his loins," that is, a descendant. The boy born of Mary was a descendant of David, not a pre-existent angel assuming human form!

3 comments:

Franklin Eugene Rhoads said...

I found your studies very informative of what it is that you believe. Do you believe in the doctrine that Yahshua was born of a virgin and are you in any way associated with the web site: http://www.torahofmessiah.com or share the same beliefs of the webmaster of this web site?

Jennifer G. said...

Shalom Eugene,

Thank you for the reply. To answer your question, although I am not affiliated with torahofmessiah, I do believe we have similar beliefs on the deity - as you can see, I have referenced some of my findings off his website. As for the virgin birth, I do NOT believe Yeshua was born of a virgin. His biological father was Yosef. This is the only way he could be a descendant of the root of Jesse. Yeshua was NOT a man-god. He was fully human as explained in other my blog: http://www.virginbirth.blogspot.com/ Again this material is several years old and I have since found more research to support my beliefs. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask.

Franklin Eugene Rhoads said...

Thank you for the link! I am also swayed to believe that the virgin birth doctrine is not true. I will most certainly take your studies on this matter into consideration